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06 April 2008 @ 12:36 am
C.C.'s True Identity?  
Ever since I started this series, I've been thinking about who C.C. really is since "once we learn her name, we know everything".

After the earlier post about "geass" having come from something called "geis" which is something from Irish mythology, I began a google search looking up Irish mythology, because it's likely the component of "geass" and C.C.'s true identity are linked.

What I found was interesting to me. I looked up Celtic goddesses with names that started with C for obvious reasons, and I found several that could possibly be who C.C. is modeled after.

(The place where I found the list of Celtic Goddesses is here, if anyone is interested: http://www.paralumun.com/celticgoddess.htm).

Anyway, looking at the list of C goddessses, here are the ones that brought my attention:

Cailleach Bheur - Personifies winter (reminded me of C.C.'s snow comment), Also called "The Witch of Ben Cruachan" ('witch' comment in ep. 25). Also called 'the veiled one'.
But, this goddess is personified as a hag, which makes me think it's not our C.C.

Cerridwen - A magician/witch, her name meaning "Chiding love" and "White/blessed", she also made a potion that granted wisdom to whoever drank 3 drops, she also transformed into a hawk in one of her stories. (I dunno about you, but the Geass symbol looks like a bird to me).
Because of the "granting wisdom" thing, possibly C.C., but I doubt it.

Cliodna - Said to be goddess of love and beauty. She was said to have three brightly colored birds(bird thing again). Also, apparently she left the place where the immortals were to be with her mortal lover (reminds me of C.C.'s comment about "how my lover would..." in episode 11) but she ended up being pulled into the sea by the tide and drowning, leaving her lover desolate. But, she ended up "living on" somewhere else. (This confuses me a bit, but since Cliodna 'drowned' and then 'lived on', it reminded me of how C.C. 'dies' but then doesn't 'die') There's really not much to go off of other than the bird thing and the lover bit, so I doubt this is C.C.

Corra - A goddess of prophecy (Arguable, considering how much C.C. knew in episode 1 and her geass-forehead thing) and took the form of a crane (Geass = bird thing again) and symbolized knowledge and transitions to the Otherworld.
I dunno, the prophecy thing is kinda cool, but there's not enough info about the net on this goddess so I can judge this further.

I know this didn't really give much information, but I find it interesting that some of these goddesses are associated with birds, have prophecy as one of their powers, are obviously immortal, and such.

Now, I might not have hit it on the head here, but given the info about C.C., I think it is very probably that she is a Celtic goddess of some kind.

From the Wikipedia article on "Geis":
"Often it is women who place geasa upon men. In some cases the woman turns out to be goddess or other sovereignty figure."

Also, from the images we've seen of C.C.'s past, we have pictures of many people apparently praying with the Geass symbol on their head - worshipers, perhaps? Then there is an image of a temple with the Geass symbol, and various people torturing her. If C.C. was in fact, a deity worshiped by druids, by the time Christianity was in full swing in that area, they would have persecuted the pagans, including her. And her 'torture' is possibly due to a sort of inquisition at the time? Then later on, because of her powers, she was persecuted as a witch?

Well, that's just my thoughts, but it made a lot of sense to me while I thought of it.
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Fox Holland: Reifox_holland on April 6th, 2008 05:36 am (UTC)
Although Celtic mythos and Code Geass are undeniably linked,
I believe that C.C. is more of an original character in her own right.

None of these goddesses match, our known profile about C.C.

Also, none of these have that "F" / "TH" sound that Lelouch makes with his mouth.
Kitinulovinkit on April 6th, 2008 05:54 am (UTC)
I just did another search on Wikipedia starting with 'geis' and seeing where it led me, and it led me to Morgan la Fay. All that really matches was that Morgan la Fay was a witch and the F sound, but it's also a possibility.
Fox Holland: Reifox_holland on April 6th, 2008 05:57 am (UTC)
Only problem is that Arthurian legends only been used for units (and a cat) so far.
Kyle Worthington: paradiseleafie_phoenix on April 6th, 2008 10:47 am (UTC)
I dunno...but I think Celtic names are pronounced quite differently from the way they are spelt...:)
Fox Holland: Reifox_holland on April 6th, 2008 12:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I fail at pronunciation.

However, there are Geass ruins evidently all over the world.
藤原めぐみ: Snazzy Lloydyedijoda on April 6th, 2008 08:26 am (UTC)
I *really* like the Morgan La Fay idea--having Arthur and the Knights of the Round and Lancelot in the series sets that up as C.C.'s name just perfectly.

The question, then, is whether Lelouch is the Arthur character--famous, immortal, successful in his time only to die an ignominious death. Or is the Emperor Arthur, and C.C. wants her revenge on him for some very personal was well as political reasons. Come to think of it, didn't Morgan La Fay have a sister named "Miriam" or something like that (similar to Marianne, maybe?). Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
fingersinitaly: interestingfurato on April 6th, 2008 11:56 am (UTC)
F/TH sound
Interesting to see the different ways people read Lelouch's lips. The catch, though is that it highly depends on the skill of the animators to know how accurate the lip flap is. To me, the animation seems to resemble pronounciation for a word in my native language "sariawan". In English it's pronounced like "Maria one", which at that time made me go, "What? Marianne? O_o" though I don't think it's true (Lelouch would've had a reaction if that's the name, but he didn't).
Fox Holland: Reifox_holland on April 6th, 2008 12:42 pm (UTC)
Re: F/TH sound
Definitely, I never thought that Sunrise would be completely realistic when it comes to lip/jaw movement.

A lot of people say Marianne, but I hope the C.C./Lulu isn't incestuous love.
Lomelindifirebird_88 on April 6th, 2008 05:37 am (UTC)
That's actually really, really cool. ^___^ I love mythology, thanks so much for sharing the info! I remember that we saw C.C. in a Scandanavian-ish dress, so she definitely hung out in that area for a while. Who knows? Any of those goddesses could work. Celtic mythology is SO cool, and I love all the references to birds. <3
until the world goes boom-boom-boom: C.C.hiza_chan on April 6th, 2008 05:48 am (UTC)
It could be Cerridwen. The 3 drops made me think of how when she said her name it sounded like drops of water. Or maybe it WAS water and I'm an idiot. *shrug* Interesting to think about though.
Agumonsevoth on April 6th, 2008 11:27 am (UTC)
LOL, it was drops of water, but that was because Taniguchi dubbed over her real name (bastard loves stringing us along...). I thought her name was the sound of a water drop for a long time too... In my defense, she's some alien chick who can't die; it wouldn't be strange at all if she had some crazy Martian name.

Does anyone remember how many times the water dropped in that episode, though? If it happens to be three, you may be onto something...

Although I do wonder if C.C. grants "wisdom". Lelouch has grown a lot since the first episode, but the Geass ability itself doesn't seem to suggest wisdom. I mean, look at Mao. He hasn't gotten any wiser.
Senna: glittering seamossygirl on April 6th, 2008 07:14 am (UTC)
Interesting theory ^_^ Personally, I think C.C.'s name must be somehow familiar to Lulu (since he visibly jumps back when he first hears her say it, while she's asleep), but as to what it is ... no clue. I've heard (sorry I can't quote a specific interview x.x) that if the audience knew C.C.'s real name, they'd be able to figure everything out (or at least a whole lot). That seems a bit much to me, but it's definitely a big plot point, and connections to some sort of mythology wouldn't surprise me ^_^ I can't wait for it to be revealed ...
saverellawishsaverellawish on April 6th, 2008 07:19 pm (UTC)
Hmm, would definitely make sense if you think about it that way. I need to re watch that episode again where her name was said. Personally I like the Morgan la Fay idea better. It would make sense, since Marianne's name sounds so much like Morgan's sister's name (will do a search later to get a better idea about this).

Plus it would also explain that scene where we see Suzaku and Lelouch go up that hill and see the invading Brittanian ships, and C.C. watching them from a distance. C.C. watching her sister/ sister like figure's son (I say sister like figure, because some how I doubt Marianne is actually related to C.C. blood wise anyway, I suspect however, that they did know each other, how else would C.C. know so much about Lelouch?). It would also make sense if Marianne was like C.C. and V.V., why she held so much standing in the Brittanian courts besides being one (of many I'm guessing) of the Emperor's wives/ consorts.

Anyway, this just suddenly turned into my own musings which probably make no sense... Either way I think your on the right track as far as the goddess thing goes.
kiba3333 on December 25th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
True name
Her real name might actually be "Elizabeth"

As I looked close to the names of witches I came to the conclusion that the secret behind the double letters is all just about the pronunciation of their true names.

As for C.C. it would be Elizabeth because the short form of Elizabeth is "Sissy" which resembles the pronunciation of "C.C."

Another evidence for this theory lies in the name of the series itself:
The second season is called "R2" or one could also say "R.R." if you consider it to be a witches name. But who could be R.R.? Easy answer: Lelouch
In the japanese language "L" does not really exist there is only a "R" which is pronounced as a mix of L and R.
That means R.R.= Lulu (shortform/nickname of Lelouch).

And then the true name of V.V. might be "Vivi" in my opinion.
Or "Vivi" is at least the shortform of his true name: "Vivian"

(Wikipedia says: Vivian is originally a male given name that has recently become popular for Asian females. It is commonly traced to Saint Vivian, a 5th century French bishop and saint, who defended his country against the Visigoths.)

So that's my theory. But it is still just my own opinion. I know that there isn't any 100% evidence for this until Gorō Taniguchi says so himself or until her name is revealed in an OVA.
gizzymotto on July 15th, 2009 02:23 am (UTC)
C.C.s name
While reading through the comments i also thought of the possibility of there being 3 water drops, thus eluding to Cerridwen. I have also seen another comment having to do with the whole Irish Mythology thing and that person believed the name to be Cú Chulainn. that name has 2 cs which could mean something. and if you read about this character its really quite interesting. this person made two deals, or "geis".. one deal made him unable to eat dog meat. the other made him unable to deny food from a woman.. but his downfall ended up being when a woman offered him dog food. this led to his death.
as for the Morgan Le Fay theory.. i would be delighted if that was the answer.. mostly because my name is Morgan and Morgan Le Fay was my favorite book character when i was younger =] ha ha her sister's name was not Miriam, but rather Morganne. or at least it was in the book i used to own. by wiki she had at least two sisters, Elaine and Morgause..
hmmm what i find interesting is how opposite she is to Lelouche.. she hated her mother for betraying her father (whom she worshiped) by sleeping with another man after he died (hence how little King Arther was born).. hmm i dont know where im going with this.. just throwing stuff out there.. ha ha
gizzymotto on July 27th, 2009 06:55 pm (UTC)
Re: C.C.s name
also in the 2nd season lelouche calls her "willful" i believe, and she says "yes, thats what makes me C2".